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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 22, 2006 7:52am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

too bad you can't stream this stuff, cause I ain't downloading buckethead's masturbatory noodlings...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2006 1:45am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

strat - not trying to pick a fight - but why do you comment on Buckethead's "masturbatory noodlings" when Garcia has been accused of just the same thing in certain circles?? not that i agree that Garcia (or Kimock or Haque are masturbatory). just curious about your comment - you have always seemed to "know your stuff" so I want your take on this "sensationalistic" guitarist. again, just looking for you personal opinion, not being a jerk.

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Poster: davidbarfield Date: Mar 22, 2006 3:58am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

seems to me that the *new-jambandians* (e.g. the particles) have a tenedency to play a kind of refrainless, endless noodle. garcias (etal -- knopfler for one) noodling, at least, seemed to be wrapped around the melody somewhat/a lot... and also he did like to come back and play the refrain -- giving the work more structre. me like structure. not so much like less/no structure leading me to want to pour a gallon of gasoline on myself and self-immolate when i hear the particulates play. but, for me it's a taste thing. won't make a critique based on music theory (like adorno might) 'cause i don't know it at all. but there's no accounting for taste, here especially...so if we say that something blows, it oughta be assumed that it's a smilar critique to any artist that does not send us. or better: how i feel about sea urchin...the only food i won't eat.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2006 7:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

sea urchin make rules - try some :)

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Poster: davidbarfield Date: Mar 22, 2006 8:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

thanks mang...you can have mine. on a related note, i'm just getting over some food poisoning via peking duck. i used to love p-duck, but now, alas, i think it's on the "no-fly" list. funny how these unpleasant experiences stick with ya forever! much like particle....

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Mar 23, 2006 1:56am
Forum: etree Subject: Re:

seems to me that the *new-jambandians* (e.g. the particles) have a tenedency to play a kind of refrainless, endless noodle. garcias (etal -- knopfler for one) noodling, at least, seemed to be wrapped around the melody somewhat/a lot...

Interesting comment, my opinion is the reverse. I've always thought Jerry "wandered" an awful lot, and sometimes when he really gets going I lose interest because it's the type of music that makes you just stand there and wait for it to end if you are witnessing it - which I don't find happens as much in the younger bands I spend too many hours scrutinizing (i.e. Phish, Kimock, Derek Trucks, moe. etc...).

Maybe it's a generational thing, I'm 27.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Mar 23, 2006 11:08pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

"I've always thought Jerry "wandered" an awful lot, and sometimes when he really gets going I lose interest because it's the type of music that makes you just stand there and wait for it to end if you are witnessing it - "

hmmmmm....tsk....tsk...i guess you never got to see mr garcia in person standing in frt of you ..and you still wished it would end..hmmmmm..acid ....ACID MY BOY ..ACID ...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 24, 2006 1:07am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

fish, i love ya my man - but acid ain't the answer to musical appreciation (although at times, i must agree, it enhances). hear what brad is saying - drugs do not great music make!!!!

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Poster: Fishead Date: Mar 24, 2006 2:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

it sure does so when it comes to the wandering lead..which has taken me this far.....

jerry never made me want to say ..geez i sure wish this was over with cause its never ending noodling...never seemed that way to me...maybe it was the acid...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 24, 2006 2:48am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

no, it wasn't the acid, because i feel the same way. Just like when Kimoch goes off "the deep end" in some of his jams. No offense was meant my friend Fish. not that pot nor acid doesn't help :) it does change the mental perception of muciscal theory. we must all remember that when Mozart was "plying his trade" - half the audience was stoked on snuff (i.e. coke). i hear ya my friend. a buzz does make a differnce in "reader response" toward mucical appreciation.sorry if i offended.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Mar 24, 2006 4:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

relax..don't you know by now that what is said here dont offend me. it's all a matter of tastes and perception :)

i was only refering to the wandering leads/jams where acid is that added pleasure to help get in touch with what is goin down or even connect with jerry or whatever band you are watching .bands like phish are the ones that bore me ..never the fat man !

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 24, 2006 5:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

biggest peace my friend fish!!! I hear ya - no offense between either of us :)
jam on my pal.... long live Kimock!!!:)

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Poster: davidbarfield Date: Mar 23, 2006 5:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

"Interesting comment, my opinion is the reverse. I've always thought Jerry "wandered" an awful lot, and sometimes when he really gets going I lose interest because it's the type of music that makes you just stand there and wait for it to end if you are witnessing it - which I don't find happens as much in the younger bands I spend too many hours scrutinizing (i.e. Phish, Kimock, Derek Trucks, moe. etc...). Maybe it's a generational thing, I'm 27."

oh jerry wandered alright, but what i've heard of bands like moe* and the phish* (good examples) are jams that (can) take on a kind of techno/trancey-feel (to me anyway) that are repetitive --rather than the dead's jazzy-spaceyness. i realize this is vague but it's hard for me to describe. garcia's jazz conterpart, it has been suggested, was coltrane. maybe one reason why garcia sent me as much as he did is because i have a soft spot for that kind of improvisational playing. and, for the jamming around the melody. it may be a generational issue, or a taste issue, but the genre has developed a lot of interpretations and some don't sit well with all....apparently. the way it goes, yes?

*fwiw, overall i do like both of these bands.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffBrad Leblanc Date: Mar 23, 2006 9:02pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

Ok, I hear both of you and can respect that Garcia seems to show a lot of jazz influence. I sure like my jazz, but similar to my comments above I like it when the "wandering" is toned down a little - maybe Coltrane's "Stellar Regions" is a good example. I picked that album up at the end of high school and have listened to it no more than 4 or 5 times since then. He's all over the map on that album. :)

After reading your comments, I'm thinking it's a taste thing and not so much an age thing. Regardless, I do like my GD. I just tend to stay away from the Spacy stuff where I have to ask "what song were they playing when this started?"

This post was modified by Brad Leblanc on 2006-03-24 05:02:40

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 23, 2006 10:44pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

Wow - funny how you mention Coltrane's Stellar Regions!! I completely understand what you are saying. I also picked that up and have only listened to it 2 or 3 times. Kinda disjointed (well, not kinda). That was a great example of what you are trying to convey. For Coltrane, it is a very disappointing disc. And I totally agree that it is a taste thing - i was just mentioning my age because i feel as old as dirt :) peace, and jam on.... long live Kimock :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 23, 2006 5:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Re:

Brad, i must take issue with this. As far as "wandering" goes... two of the examples you make actually wander just as much in a different way. Anastasio always had a tendency to wander, although far more "loudly" than garcia. He could actually annoy me at times (although i do like Phish in general). He had a tendency to over the top noodling and taking over the whole sound - to me, that is less of a jamband philosophy than a show off. Again, don't get me wrong - i own lots of Phish stuff and generally like most of it. Kimock primarily follows a standard jazz principle. He runs through a formulaic pattern for 2 or 3 runs, and then just heads off into "noodle land" (awesome). Then he heads back into the standard melodic refrain for one or two runs. i.e. It's Up to You, Tangled Hangers, Highand Lonesome, etc. Personally, I feel that Kimock and this band is the most exciting music out in the jam scene BY FAR. Just my opinion. Trucks, i agree, tends to shy away from some of the "endless noodling." Alhtough at times i wish he would be a bit more adventurous, more like he is with Haynes in the Allmans. Only giving my two cents, but i am older than you and more jaded (40).

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Poster: Uncle Jimmy Date: Mar 22, 2006 3:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

dude. you have posted six times about a person you have never listened to. whether you are trying or not.... it might be happening.

JUST GIVE IT A LISTEN.

by the way, the guitar is a phallic symbol. sliding one's hands up and down it furiously, regardless of the sound coming out, could lend itself to comparisons of another activity that is similar in motion. doesn't matter who is playing it, almost anyone that solos could be (and is by some hater or another somewhere) accused of that.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2006 3:53am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

wow - interesting post :-?
didn't feel like downloading the dude if i can't stream - sorry for the numerous posts my friend :-P whatever man - excuse me for posting

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Poster: Uncle Jimmy Date: Mar 22, 2006 5:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

yeah, well, i know i'm being a bit grumpy here, but really. you asked several times if the guy is a 'flash artist', a term that doesn't even mean anything except that you coined it earlier in the post.

you say that you aren't trying to pick a fight, but you rag on Eddie Van Halen (?) and keep trying to drag people into telling you more about Buckethead.

now, i get bored at work, too, like right now, which is why i'm wasting time with the old etiquitte lesson. but come ON.

you seem like a reasonable person otherwise, i've seen many a post that was totally reasonable, but these aint it. and now i've stooped to that 'jesus, this guy should get a job' level myself.

so there.

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Poster: BobzCat Date: Mar 22, 2006 4:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

Go to www.nugs.net and check out the stash. You can stream the Claypool 6/22/2002 Bonnaroo "Bucket of Bernie Brains" show to get an idea of the music.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Mar 23, 2006 7:49am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

true, Garcia is one of the quintessential noodlers, however I wasn't raising a comparison between Buckethead and Garcia...on a technical level, Buckethead is exceptional...since you bring up Garcia, he plays what I prefer, jamming done within the context of great songs..sometimes he played horseshit, but when he was on, he was one of the best...B-Head has some interesting tracks and some are even slightly musical, but shred guitar just kind of cracks me up...(i.e. like some jack-off at Guitar Center showing off a bunch of superfast scales and tapping...making everyone's ears bleed)...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 23, 2006 11:01pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

that is what i thought (based upon his "latest-Rob-Zombie- movie-release" web site). Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll pass based on those comments. by the way, i apologize for my Van Halen comments to those who were offended... that guy can play (i was just being cranky).

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Poster: Fishead Date: Mar 24, 2006 4:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

just do yourself a favor and get the bonnaroo dvd from 2002

that will wet your whistle......plus there's some other great tasty tid bits on there from other bands like widespread panic ..

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2006 12:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

i haven't listened to him yet, but why does there seem to be kinda a "controversy" about this guy. i know who he is, but have no clue regarding what he is "about." Is he just a pentatonic scale soloist who plays fast and "looks good". (any moron can fly with pentatonic scale solos - ie eddie van halen). What is his claim to fame?

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Poster: Fishead Date: Mar 22, 2006 12:36am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

have you ever seen this dude?

he can play it all from mozart to prince to page....

his costume is classic too.....

he now has a band and i must see him ..of course he's playin
a/c this sat but i am going to see the radiators up in new york..damm buckethead..i'll get 'em next time...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2006 12:40am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

never seen him - just was curious if he was a "flash artist" ala Van Halen - as opposed to guitarists like Kimock, Haque, Frisell, Garcia, etal. Will have to give him a listen and decide for myself. although, from his website, i'm not holding out much hope.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Mar 22, 2006 1:28am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

he's a hard rocker with a soft side..he's played with les claypool from primus .he's along those lines as far as guitar style..good ole rock!!

i wouldn't bother with the studio stuff until you see him live !!!!

get the 1st bonnaroo dvd from 2002?? if that dont get you hooked nothin' will......he's sick!!!!!





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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2006 2:06am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

LOVE claypool - that would be cool to her just from the musically interactive standpoint.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Mar 22, 2006 2:12am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

you worry too much about stupid shit..the guy can flat out play the fuckin' guitar and either you like 'em or you dont...why you need to analize the guy ...just check 'em out and see for yourself ...if you like primus/les you'll probably like some of his stuff . i dont go nuts for him but he is different and like i said plays it all!!!very unique(imo)..you have to see him to get it !!! website dont do it !!!

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Poster: wineland Date: Mar 22, 2006 7:39am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

So which is the better of the two shows?

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Poster: theGreenManalishi Date: Mar 23, 2006 12:23pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

posted tonight...the 10-27-2005 show...
this is what it's all about!!!
and it will continue as more shows posted

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Poster: theGreenManalishi Date: Mar 22, 2006 10:34pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

the march 10 show is far superior sound and performance wise. dont waste your time on the other one.
buckethead has been allowing taping for years from friends cool with the band, so i'm sure many shows will be showing up over time.

the march 10 show is a damn fine introduction...enjoy

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Poster: Mysack Date: Mar 22, 2006 1:37am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

Buckethead transcends any one particular genre in my opinion. Trash player is only one of the many hats this guy wears. He definitely is not just a pentatonic scale player either. If you liked his Bonnaroo 2002 appearance, I highly recommend checking out Praxis (of which he is a member) from Bonnaroo '04 at Bonnaroo's live d/l site.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2006 1:27am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

describe how he "is sick" though. from the website, he seems like another "trash" guitarist - with that genre, i have no interest. Not trying to be a jerk at all. Just have a problem with "musicians" who rely on "sensationalist looks" (such as marilyn manson, slipknot, etc) but who have nothing to offer from a pure "talent standpoint". speed and flash is irrelevant in guitar - my guitar teacher can play E. VanHalen as well as he does, as opposed to a guy like Jeff Beck who has the "flash" but goes way beyond "pentatonic scale" soloing - i can do that with two weeks of practice. Again, not trying to be a jerk. just wondering what he brings to "the table."

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Poster: J.C. Date: Mar 22, 2006 4:08am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

"i can do that with two weeks of practice."

Heh.

Buckethead used to write a column for one of the leading guitar magazines. Some of the riffs and runs (like eight-finger tapping sequences) he posted were called into question by many readers as being frauds, i.e. not actually playable by humans. Buckethead used them as warmups.

While I agree that technical skill does not a great guitarist make, it also can't be so easily overlooked.

By the way, Buckethead is by no means selling "sensationalism"; he's just strange. Much of his music is inspired by Japanese anime and cheesy robot sci-fi stuff. He often tries to make his guitar sound like a laser gun, particle beam, etc.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Mar 22, 2006 7:02am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

i can buy the "eight finger tappin sequences" - not that tough with some serious attention to pratice. I hear ya with the rest of it JC - if that is his M.O. - i am cool with that. I'm only now gettin what he is about - little by little - like i said earlier - i aint raggin on him - only wondering what he is "all about."

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Poster: nagdot Date: Mar 22, 2006 5:56am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

man you wanna hear a good guitarist check out my cousin he played with carmine appice in king kobra then the bulletboys both 80s bands he started in high school doin dances playin cover music just like every other guitarist out there http://www.monstersmakingmusic.com/intro.htm this is his post bulletboys site he has music here plus other thing and dont mock the buffalo sabres lol peace

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Poster: davidh2087 Date: Sep 7, 2006 1:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

Unbelievers,

I have 22 buckethead albums (no joke i could list them) and I can honestly say that he is the most talented guitarist that I have ever seen and heard and I own every Satriani and Vai album. He has metal albums because he is a very dark character...but he has other albums (Colma, Electric Tears) where he plays beutiful acoustic melodies. His albums with Travis Dickerson (Population Override, Thanatopsis, Axiology, Anatomize) are awsome examples of his melodic talent gorgeous sounds that he can make. He even has albums with Viggo Mortenson (Strider in Lord of the Rings) where he does some cool stuff. He was actually given lessons by Paul Gilbert who is a guitar god. And lastly he can make the most uncomfortable sounds I have ever heard, and though some might say that it is just bad music I disagree and say instead that to use atonal sounds that effectivly shows incredible talent.

He really enjoys that mask thing...he was even offered to play Ozzfest with Ozzy (by Ozzy) but he turned it down because Ozzy wouldn't let him keep the mask!

Whatever the case you people need to stop judging him before you actually know what he is about. If you don't like his metal listen to his other stuff he has a really big catalogue.

To the guy who said "i could do that in two weeks" i don't think you could do most of it in a lifetime (few can).

-|)@\V/!|)

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Sep 7, 2006 1:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

I would like to hear some of the non neo-metal buckethead stuff, if you could link it, particularly the acoustic stuff...I can't knock his skill but I'm not into that asenine shred guitar shit...on a side note, it takes more than two weeks to develop the skill to pick rythmically and with speed and to tap for several measures with good tone and speed...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 8, 2006 3:27pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

strat - check out some of his stuff on youtube - he aint kimock or howe, but the guy aint bad with his country picking, melodic acoustic, and banjo. beautiful left hand position on the fretboard - that is what struck me the most - he's had some real solid training!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 7, 2006 1:37pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

hey man - is there any of his acoustic stuff here on the LMA - i hate shredding, but i would love to hear his work on acoustic!!!! if you know of any, please let me know - thanks

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 7, 2006 4:43pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

yeah - kinda like i thought - nothing worthwhile from that shredartist here on LMA - he can remain in obsurity - plenty of "those like him around" - limited talent - fast fingers - you want a real guitarist - check out Kimock, Howe, Haque, Metheney, etc. Buckethead is a bucket of crap - i stand by my previous supposition - doesn't take long to learn speed runs - real cool (not)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 7, 2006 5:03pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

It's funny that Les, Bernie Worrel, Bill freaking Laswell, and others would waste their time to play with this incredibly overrated, untalented guitarist (not).

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 7, 2006 5:16pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

i just havent heard it and no one on this site will direct me - so naturally -= a selfdesribed speed guitarist gets his place in my book - dime a dozen - a guy with a mask with fast fingers - holy crap - i should worship that!!!! without that mask - he would be a total nobody - if you disagree - you are mistaken
ive streamed a couple of tracks - not impressed - give me metallica - megadeath - janes addiction any day - buckethead is nothing special at all - GIVE ME THE ACOUSTIC STUFF - QUIT BEING PUSSIES - IF HE CAN PLAY ACOUSTIC I WILL BELIEVE - UNTIL THEN -pretty pedestrian speed guitarist - my girlfriends kid can play what ive heard so far - pretty pathetic for a "supposed" great guitarist - give me a break please or prove me wrong - been months since my last post on this moron and no one has shown me abything yet. Just a fucked up version of Kiss - little talent - lots of marketing.

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Poster: Sbtroutman Date: Sep 7, 2006 6:09pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

I'll second that!!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 7, 2006 7:06pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

and still no response from bucketofshithead fans - i'll take that as proving my point. nice defence job, bucketfans. give me Navarro anyday rather than sandpailhead - no contest!!!!!!!!

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Poster: davidh2087 Date: Sep 8, 2006 9:07am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

Well, I do not know where to find any acoustic for you to sample. The only thing I can say is to get the album Colma or Electric Tears. Or hell, download them like most people do anyway.

But, there are some tracks with Travis Dickerson in his side project Thanatopsis (my favorites)at this site:

http://tdrsmusic.com/musicpreviews.html

Check out Axiology (song), Twinge, and Common Ground.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 8, 2006 9:35am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

ok - i will check those out - any ideas on sites where i might find the acoustic stuff from the aforementioned albums?? (i dont have a napster account - lol) - i am actually damn curious about his acoustic work but dont want to pay for one unless it is all acoustic :) thanks for the link - peace

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Sep 8, 2006 3:19pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

OK - it may be time to shove my keyboard up my ass (as opposed to foot in mouth)
i checked out some of the vids of him on youtube - there are couple of acoustic ones on there. I may not like his choice in music (electric), but the guy aint bad :) I will not yet place him in the upper eschelons like Steve Kimock or Steve Howe, but i was a pretty impressed. Actually, one of the things that most impressed me is his left hand position on the fret board - Totally horizontal to it 99% of the time - that shows a boatload of training and requires alot of skill to discipline one's self to leave the palm static while letting the fingers do all the work - and those fingers do run smooth i must admit. Great reach with his fingers too - pretty light if i am looking at it right.
Enough talk - i am far more impressed now than i was - the man is Good and very Talented!! I now take back all the talking out of my ass (although i probably wouldn't buy a disc unless it was all acoustic or atleast "melodic.") Thank god for youtube to make me (once again) realize i am an ass :)

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Poster: nagdot Date: Mar 22, 2006 8:15am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: BUCKETHEAD!!!!!

wasnt buckethead in the lame version of guns n roses?(slash blows him away sorry) personally with the genre he plays there are much better or at least equal. as for ed van halen, he is considered one of the best of all time with the likes of mr garcia, mr hendrix etc. im quite sure buckethead isnt considered in the mix ty peace.